Jay Nixon and his 2 plus million education cut
Submitted by pattiharris on January 18, 2009 - 3:25am
I went to re- enroll my daughter in her online schooling a few weeks ago. I did the same process for my other daughter who goes to the same school. Well it seems that Jay Nixon went to DESE {department of education,elementry and secondary school} and pulled two plus million from their state funding. Now what does this have to do with my child, plus so many other. They can't finish their education with their school. According to his many promises , education was his top notch promises. He wants to give Missourians middle class a better chance for education and to go on to college with the help of this A+program. Here is a link that I will attach so that you can read on this. Anyway back to why this blog is being posted....
Because of Nixon pulling this fund that so many people depend on to send their child to have a better education, and having the choice on wheather or not they want to send their child to the Independence school district, or any other school district . I chose to send my child to MOVIP schooling , because of teachers liking to man handle female students at Chrisman. I chose to put them in the MOVIP6-12 program. This program is over 2 thousand dollars per sem. and you have several choices on how to pay for it. One is getting state funding, others is to pay by credit card. When I submitted my daughters app and one went straight through, and the other was lost in cyberspace somewhere between my computer and theirs.. When , I called Movip, and DESE to ask what happen to their funding, they said that Jay Nixon had pulled more then two million plus state funding from their program and many others like it. As you can imagine , my daughter was highly upset,and crying. She loved going to Movip and loved having the attention that she received from her teachers and the help that was always there.
Now because of the funding being pulled, we will have to try to find other funding to help her get back into her school.
My question is if education was Jay Nixon top priorty then why is he going around pulling these millions from education.
Here is his link to his education policy. www.jaynixon.com/issues/education
Now , where is someone with a set income,to get such funding when it all has been pulled.
Where is funding going to come from when their are so many people out there counting on it to send their child to get an education. When are people going to do what they say their going to do.
If a person is well off there isn't a problem with their child getting the very best education.If your disabled, or set on a limited income like ssi, then where is that person to turn to so their child can get a better education like those that don't even blink an eye to pay out such funds.
Nixon is such a person that he doesn't even have to blink and eye to fork over those sorts of fund for his children , or grandchildren to get the best of education.
My most important question is why he pulled the funding and where are these funding went to that he pulled from the elem and secondary department of education. I spent all day Friday calling Jefferson city , calling Nixon office, and others in Jefferson City, to see what was going on and why these fundings were pulled, but you know what. No one had a clue as to where that funding was going , or why this funding has been pulled.
This is just a small part of what he says about education , off of his site.
Jay is a living testament to the potential of our public school system, attending the Jefferson County schools as a kid and going on receive his undergraduate and law degrees from the University of Missouri. As Attorney General, Jay has seen first-hand the problems facing Missouri public schools. He knows that many of our school buildings are in poor shape, we need more technology in the classroom, our teachers are vastly underpaid, and too many of our children are dropping out of high school. Simply put, there are children in Missouri who do not have adequate and equal access to a quality education. That must change. As Governor, Jay will make it a priority to re-invest in our public school system.
My thought is oh really! Then why is he pulling so much state funding from schools.
Where is it going and what are we suppose to do to help those that depended on the funds to help pay for their child schooling.
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Hello Pattie. I'm a 16 year old girl in her Sophmore year. It is also my thrid year in the MoVIP program. A few days ago I had gotten online to see if I had any new emails from my teachers. I had new emails thats for sure. A very breif email stated that I could no longer attend MoVIP with state seats due to budget cut. So I understand what you and your daughters are going through. I also was nearly in tears. This System of schooling was pretty much my last resort. I am an ADHD child and have been for a long time. So I'm sure you can see how this school is helpfull to me and my family.
Now, my mother is running around like a chiken with her head chopped off trying to figure out how in the world I am going to get the education I need to survive. It's horrible, so many kids, including your daughtes and myself are now just flaoting around waiting for somthing. I do hope the best for you and your family. Just remember, your not alone.
I partly answered my own question. On the movip web site they note that all state funded positions had been filled by January 14, 2009 but tuition positions would remain open until February 9, 2009. So, is it to be gathered that you were inquiring about the state-funded enrolement and not the tuition based enrolement? I can understand that. At $375 per unit that could get expensive. A full load could run near $2,500 per semester - whew!
This is really confusing. The States fiscal year runs July 1 - June 30 each year. Nixon has just submitted his budget to the legislature for fiscal year 2009-2010. How did he decrease the current funding for this program? Arbitrary action on his part, with no input from any other party? When did he do this? What is movip anyway?
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OK Patti I need a little more info
I’m old and don’t follow a lot of stuff that doesn’t concern me directly but I like to stay informed….
What is MOVIE School????
Is it a place a building or a web site school?
U are saying U used to pay $2 grand a semester …
Rather than send U kid to Chrisman?
Give us a little more info …
OK found my glasses and went to web site it's MoVIP? it's a home instruction program offered in MO on the web?
It's for Home schoolers?
I haven't heard of any mandhandling of female students going on at Christman. I've had kids there the last 6 years. I'm not saying it hasn't happened, just saying I haven't heard about any.
I also haven't heard of MoVIP either. I'd have to take everybody else word for what it is, but isn't the state in charge of funding public schools not home schooling? Not that I'm happy if he really has cut the school budget for public schools. I was always of the school of thought that if I didn't want my kids going to public schools that I would have to pay for their private education.
The A+ program is really a program for middle class people and up. I have a son in college currently and he makes more on the Pell Grant than he does on the A+ program so he withdrew from that. A+ is only for a few colleges as well, mainly community college, but a couple others take it. They also determine what majors you can declare and I believe (I could be wrong) that they are all public majors such as teaching or construction. My son wanted to major in architecture and they told him nope, you can't major in that, the closest you can get to that major is industrial engineering. Just a little pet peeve there.
Anyway, wouldn't it be great if the Air Force had to hold a bake sale for a B-1 bomber and the schools got all the funding they needed? :) Not really, but kinda.
Dwood, my daughters went to Chrisman High School, and both of them were assulted by males there . First one was with my oldest daughter. She was wearing a Sam and Lindsey Porter pin with their picture on it and their dog Bossy. This male teacher grabed my daughter by the shoulder and squeezed it leaving his finger prints through a hoodie, two shirts and her bra strap. This was reported and we had several meetings with Mr. Dial and this teacher along with several others that were at the meetings.
The second one was of my second oldest daughter after school had let out. Her friend was very upset and crying , so she decided to tell what had happen that day in her Spainsh class, between this male student and the teacher of the class. When they were walking outside of the little theater doors , is when she was started telling the story and Mr.B the asst,principal was walking behind my two daughters and their friend. He heard her saying a word that shouldn't have been said ,in which I punished her for. The word started with F, because that is what the male student had said to the Spainsh teacher. He , Mr. B tapped my daughter on the shoulder and said excuse me , but you need to watch what you say. She said sorry and kept on walking retelling the story to her friend. Mr. B was still following them and tapped her again , again she said sorry, he and her exchanged this three other times. Finely Mr. B went in front of my daughter and told her she needed to follow him back into the school and go to the office. My daughter pulled out her cell phone to call me at home to let me know what was going on , when he grabed her arm , pulled the cell phone from her hand and in doing this he cut her middle finger ,left it bleeding. and twisted her arm behind her back. My oldest daughter called me from her cell phone and told me what was going on , and I had heard her screaming in the background , stop your hurting me. I rushed up to the school and found my daughter in Mr. Dial office, and my other daughter in another asst. principal office. I walked into Mr. Dial office where she was sitting crying and still bleeding from the actions of Mr. B.
I told her to go too the van and to take her older sister with her. Mr. B , then said that she couldn't go and I , told him that she would be going to the van and that he had no control over what I told my daughters to do. I withdrew my children from the school, as I believe that NO MALE ever should put their hands on a female and to make her bleed was totally un called for. I took her to the police station, made a police report and had them take pictures of this. They, the police station was to report it to the D.F.S . Did anything happen to these two teachers? Heck no. That to me is just giving them permission to do bodily harm to our children. More to come later , Late for doc.
dwood. True. I do agree with you on some of thoes things. However, that does not by any means give teachers, let alone principles put their hands on any student for any reason, exspecially in harm.
Patti, I didn't hear of your incident but my cousins use to go to Chrisman and my youngest cousin dropped out because of crap like that happening to her. The asst principal had a vendetta against her because of her brother and his friends. The sad thing was it was more of her brothers friends than him, and she came home from school crying one day with bruises on her and my aunt went ape-crap on them. She never returned back to school, she got her GED instead, but people use to make fun of her over it. Chrisman has always had a bad rep for that crap, even when I was in school. It does no good going to the super or the asst super, because they won't do anything either. I found that out when I went to the school board about the principal at Ott and they told me they weren't going to do anything about her either. I'm sorry to hear about your daughters, but it doesn't surprise me either.
The thing is that people have forgotten about is that bullying of any kind from anyone is against the law and if they don't do anything about it you can press charges. The school districts cannot figure out why there are so many school shootings and everything, well look at how they run their districts and tell everyone what they are doing is just fine. When kids are tortured at school they do get tired of it and what to hurt the people hurting them, that is normal human nature. They need to reassess what they are doing and maybe some of this stupid crap will stop.
Ok, let me get this straight right off the bat, I'm not saying anything about anybody or anybody's children on this blog. Just making an opinion observation about parent and kids in general.
It seems to me that we started having the problems at school when parents quit being parents and started becoming bestest buddies with their kids. I graduated 20 years ago and all the schools I went to (which was a lot because my parents moved a bunch) we never had a shooting, stabbing, or any of that kinda crap. We had fights in the parking lots, fights in the lunchroom, fights here or there, but that's all they were were fights.
I think one of the big reasons was because of parents. If I got in trouble at school, I sure as hell got in trouble at home and that was worse than any kind of trouble I could get in at school. I was spanked a couple of times in elementary school. Those spankings paled in comparison to the spankings I got at home for getting in trouble at school.
It seems to me that quite a few parents nowadays, (and like I said, I'm not commenting about anybody on this blog so don't take anything personally because I'm not talking about you) expect everybody else to be the authority in their kids lives and they get to be the kids pal. And when that authority does something authority like and the parents don't agree with it or think that they came down a little hard, the parents flip out. In my opinion of the parents were being parents, the kids wouldn't be getting in nearly the trouble that it seems that goes on at schools now.
My parents were my parents. They didn't hang out with me anywhere. They didn't dress up in the latest teenybopper fashions. They didn't use the latest slang to try to connect with me. They talked to me from a position of authority at all times and I respected that authority. I still respect my parents, but after I moved out is when we became friends. I tell my kids the same thing, I'm not here to be your buddy, your pal, your bestest friend, I'm here to make sure that you learn responsibility and grow up to be a productive person. We can be buddies, pals, bestest friends when you move out and I'm not longer responsible for you. I'll still give you my opinions when you move out, but it will be up to you if you want to follow them or not.
On again, don't anybody take this personally, it's an opinion I've had for awhile now and I was just thinking about some of the things I've seen and heard with kids up at the schools. And these comments aren't in any way directed at anybody on this blog.
No, I wasn't saying anything on what you said. I was just saying at Chrisman it has been known that way that was all. I will agree with you Dwood, if the schools would stop making parents stay out maybe they wouldn't be the way they are. I'm far from my oldest daughters best friend and she knows if I give her the look she better do it with no problems, my youngest daughter is a little different considering she has a form of Autism. Now, on my son that is a whole other issue for no blog, to make a long story short he is spoiled to the bone and thinks he runs the house. I have to redirect him constantly and that gets annoying, but I still love him.
I agree with you guys parents DO NOT need to be their childrens best friend. I have a step daughter that was raised that way and now she thinks the world revolves around her and that her crap doesn't stink. When she came out here to live with us, she found out I don't put up with her west coast wannabe attitude and I will knock her back a few decibles. The way she dressed was horrible, her attitude was just as bad and I had 2 very impressionable girls here that I didn't want them to get their dress code from her. Tell you how bad she was even people at the grocery store thought she came from a prostitution area, the sad thing was she was pregnant too. Her mom dresses the same way, use to let her drink and do parties and didn't care what time she got home or what she done. Then, when she turned 16 her mom couldn't control her and wanted us to straighten her out and my husband said NO. Told her she made her bed now lay down and take it.
My kids have to watch educational TV, if it isn't educational then they are not allowed to watch it. I let my oldest daughter listen to Kids Bop CD's, but anything that has foul language is out of the question. They are not allowed to even walk to the house behind us unless me or my hubby goes with them and they aren't allowed to go to peoples houses without me meeting and getting to know the parents of their friends. That is just for starters.
That is a prime example of where parents go wrong, if you don't agree please let me know.
I agree with you absolutely. I don't let my kids listen music with cussing or suggestive lyrics in them. They don't go to people's houses unless I've met the parents and I have their phone number. They aren't allowed to watch rated R movies.
The schools love me. I even had one call me a model parent once and they told me that they were using me as an example for other parents which was kinda cool. Basically it goes like this, if you get in trouble for school and I feel that it's a legitmate reason, you get in trouble at home. I prefer the extra chores method, as I think my kids are a little old to be spanking anymore. And if all the chores are done, which sometimes happens, I find interesting things to do.
I let my kids shop for their own clothes, but I have final say over anything.
But even though you and I might do that, I'm sure that everybody on here knows a parent who thinks that they are their kids best friend. My ex wife was like that and the son that I eventually got custody of is still having issues with that. She never wanted to parent, she always wanted the kids to like her, and he did whatever he felt like doing. Which for him was video games. While he was with her, he didn't learn responsibility for his actions, he didn't learn any kind of social skills, and seeing him for the last couple of years, I've learned that it was a form of neglect and he doesn't think very highly of himself which we're still trying to turn around after 5 years.
So anyway, that's another pet peeve of mine, if you want to have kids so that you can have friends, don't. Go make some adult friends.
Exactly right!
I actually chewed my ex out for letting my girls watch zombie type shows and that is because they are 10 and 7. He got upset because I not only run my house, but his too. What ever I say goes in every house my children are in and if the other people don't like it then they don't go until the other people agree to my rules. I have had to do that several times and they are finally realizing that I make the rules and no one else does. I have been told by several people that I'm to harsh on my children and I shouldn't have them because they aren't allowed to be kids. I don't allow yelling, or loud talking in my house and everytime they do it I tell them once and after that they go in time out for the second and third time, if they do it for the fourth time then they start losing toys and beloved things.
I have also been told I'm too light on my kids and that is because I refuse to spank unless they put themselves in danger, like running in front of cars or something like that. I don't want my children to end up in jail because I didn't discipline or be their best friend. I want my kids to talk to me, but I am NOT going to let them run me or my household. They do as I want or consequences will happen, usually groundings and removal of MP3 or computer.
Once again Patti and Gayle, dwood does not want anyone to think he was talking about you two. (even tho we know he was). JUST KIDDING with y'all.
Just making sure that nobody think that I'm talking about them. Sometimes I think peeps think I just come on here to argue and such.
While I was reading their posts I was thinking about the high schools around the area and some of the kids and parents I have encountered there so I thought I would throw out what I thought of those hover parents who control every aspect of their kids lives to the point that the kids don't know how to behave.
Which again, I don't have enough information on either one of these people to tell what kind of parents they are. So therefore the comments wasn't about them.
I am not my girls best friend, nor do I want to be. I control almost everything my children do. As where they can go, how long they can stay, who they can go with ect. My girls have a rule when they go out. I MUST recieve a phone call every 30 mins, or their in major trouble when they come home. I ground them , then take their outings away from them. Their also grounded for a week, and that is for them not calling me every 30 mins.
I , take education and their live and EVERYTHING they do seriously. I don't have to spank my child to get what I want out of them and I don't have to be in their faces every day. They do know what is excepted of them and they know what can and will happen if they screw up.
I will go where ever my child is . I don't care if their in a public place, at school , at a friends home , if my child isn't doing what she should be , then there will be hell to pay. My children don't go alot of places, nor do they get to get out of my sight very much , just because there are to many wacko's out there . I don't trust anyone and I have set that in my girls minds as well. One never knows what someone will do .
Now this doesn't mean that my girls don't do anything , they do, but it has to be with an adult is around at all times. There are always one watching some where so that I can be kept informed on what is going on.
That may sound strict, but at least I know my children are safe.
Now my children know how to act, they know their to respect everyone and do as their told by an adult that is trusted . They also know they can come and talk to me about anything that is going on in their life.
I can remember when my husband first took sick back in December 2000. They spent most of that time in the hospital and at doctors offices because of it. Every time we left I was told that they had never seen children so young so well behaved and had such manners.They also said they didn't know they were there because they were so silent. They were real impressed with them! I know that I am not the best parent in this world, but I am far from being a sh*tty parent. No one is perfect!
"Now my children know how to act, they know their to respect everyone and do as their told by an adult that is trusted ." One never knows who can be trusted. Jaynejo and her daughter found that out the hard way. I'm not a parent but I can imagine that it's one of the most difficult responsibilities there is.
Jaynejo and her daughter found that out the hard way. Who is this may I ask? what happened?
It is very diffcult to know who you can and can't trust. That is why I have said to my daughters from the time they could understand, not to trust anyone. I know that sounds harsh , but it is reality. This world isn't anything like what it was when you and I were growing up. I can remember back in my teen years , when I moved out at the age of 16 and could walk to a friends house at 3 in the morning if I chose to. I can remember if I became hungry in the middle of the night that all I had to do was walk around the corner and not be bothered by anyone. It isn't that way any more. People get hurt all the time and taken all the time in the broad day light, or any time. It is the scariest thing that any parent would have to face is something like this.
I know that what I posted is harsh , but it is the truth. I don't trust anyone. Not a statement, but a fact. Now maybe I shouldn't install that into my children, but they need to know. I have always try to teach my children the way the world really is out there. How else is a child to learn?
Jaynejo was a blogger that came on here wanting to talk about a mentally ill man that molested her daughter. Like largro said the name of the blog was "child molester" and I have often wondered how everything there was going for her and her daughter.
I will agree with you guys, you don't know who to trust anymore and when all of us were growing up you could leave your doors unlocked and nothing would happen. Now, your kids cannot even walk down the street to the bus or play in their own back yard with out freakin out. That is why I have a very large doggie that won't let ANYONE in the backyard without my approval. Patti I don't disagree with you and no one was trying to make it sound like you were your girls' best friends. It was a general description of what 90% of new parents are like and that isn't good. If you have any age kid people need to teach their kiddos I'm the parent your the kid. Heck it isn't like they came with owner's manuels or anything. We cannot go to the library and get a book called "the perfect way to raise your kids," they don't have it, trust me I've looked. LOL
I remember her and that blogger. I hope things are going better for her daughter, no that it could get worse. I'm sorry I didn't mean to make it sound as if you or anyone was talking about me, or my parenting. I tell the girls the same thing. You know it isn't like we can get on the net or go to the lib. so we can look up something that they might do or say if this should happen , then this is what you should do.
Sometimes I wish it was that easy. I'm not sure , maybe your right about us just hearing more of the evil that is out there , then when we were growing up.
I've wondered for awhile now if the world really is different than the one you and I most likely grew up in OR if we just have more information. Some of the worst serial killers were in the 60's and 70's. I'm sure that teachers were having sex with kids since the invention of school. I'm sure that there have always been kidnappings and such.
It just seems to me that with the internet and 90 bazillion news channels, we just hear about these things a lot more than we used to.
Of course, we didn't have school shootings and I never heard of drive by's till the late 80's so that would be a relatively new thing.
Jaynejo is a fellow blogger who started the blog titled "Child Molester".
One of the few things you and I agree on dwood. I was not my kids friend until they left the nest. While growing up it was my job to see that they became good responsible citizens in every respect. There's time enough for friendship after that,
I have to agree also...
in the 60's we had fights at school, I had a few, got kicked out once for three days..
and if U got into trouble at school it was ten times worse when U got home...
But we didn't use knives and guns.. Knucks were for sissy's, if U need a club U couldn't fight..
a fight was a matter of honor.. U didn't hit guys that went down and when they said Uncle U quit...
the other thing I know, Like Judge Judy says if a teenagers lips are movin they are lyin...
I think parents should be very careful, get your facts and then deside if it's a supreme court case or not?
It's been a long time, but in this day I would think a teacher with a history of puting hands on chrildren would be long gone...
Gotcha. Obviously I haven't heard of those incidents, but like I said that doesn't mean it didn't happen. I'm sure that if you contacted an attorney, all sorts of stuff would start to happen. That actually kinda ticks me off that for anything to happen nowadays, you have to either have a lot of people for or against something or you need to contact an attorney and force compliance. One person doesn't seem to matter a whole lot anymore.
I do have a couple of questions though.
In the first incident, why did the teacher grab your daughter?
In the second incident, did your daughter keep repeating the word that the principal said not to? And I do know that cell phones aren't allowed up there except for lunch. Was your daughter cooperating with him as far as going back to the principal's office?
I do disagree about males putting their hands on females or else most of the police force wouldn't be able to arrest half the population. But I do agree there needs to be a valid reason for them doing so. In the first incident, it doesn't seem like he did, the second incident is a one of those need more information things.
I guess I've had good luck at Chrisman with my kids. Worst thing that ever happened to them was that one of them got a detention for not turning in his homework. I'm sorry to hear that stuff like this goes on up there though.
I'm not sure why he grabed her. He said it was just a gesture ,but really that hard as to leave his prints on her body isn't a gesture.
My girls go every where with their cell phones, so in case there is anything that should happen or an emergency arises then I can get there and they can call for help.
Yes, both my daughters were willing going back to the office with Mr. B asst principal. She said the word F just once and after saying sorry over and over again , he twist her arm behind her back , and cuts her with the cell phone.
I contacted the Mayor Remial, and he said, his words"WE JUST DON'T GET INVOLVED IN SCHOOL BUSINESS."
I then went to see Mitch Langford , and he said that she brought it all upon herself , by saying the F word outside of school , on school property.
There were many witnesses to this and though it was repeated that several saw this , nothing was done and he still works up there.
That is why I took my children out to do this web schooling on MOVIP. I can say that they do get the attention they need and that they get the help they need. It saddens me that Nixon took the 2MILLION PLUS from our department of education elem and secondary school.
My next question is where did it or is it going.
I haven't read anywhere that Nixon was planning on cutting K-12 budgets, but was looking more at state funded colleges and stuff.
I have some questions about Mo VIP though. I read through the website. It did say they had state funded classes and when those ran out there was tuition based classes.
It also said that they wouldn't receive a diploma for attending these classes. It would be entered on their transcripts for the school districts they are in. Will that be sufficient for your daughters to graduate because it didn't seem like it offered every class.
Also, have you looked at enrolling your daughters at Truman? I know it would be a pain to take them to school and drop them off, but then they would be able to finish up their education with a diploma and do things like the proms, dances and such.
Perhaps this 12-2-08 article will help everyone understand better the dire budget restraints the state of Missouri, as well as everyone else, is in right now. I've read that Missouri is required by law to have a balanced budget. Revenues are way down. It's inevitable that any area that is cut will displease someone. http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2008/12/02/missouri-projects-342-million-shortfall/
I believe every word...
Sounds like a good scrip for Law & Order...
did U follow up with Poooliceee?
I have to agree on this..
at least to the extent I understand it...
We pay for public schools, U are welcome to attend..
If U chose to do something else it should be on U R nickel...